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Joseph L. Wiess's avatar

It's absolutely evident. If you brainwash the children, you have successfully taken over the future. If you have the children, then when you flip the switch, you can move the world to tyranny.

That's why parents should never give up control over their children to anybody, not the church, not the schools, not the government.

It's why the Marxists want to change your kids sex, their Ideas, and their education.

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

Each small step they take to reinvent cultural values often appear harmless when taken as isolated incidents. This allows them to ask, “what’s the big deal? Are you *really* that mad about your child reading a children’s book about a family with trans parents?” Whenever their insidious strategies are implemented. I suppose not, if that were all it was. But it’s never that; it’s a comprehensive curriculum of normalizing perversion to the point that spiritual and moral degradation are not only “acceptable,” they are readily celebrated as acts of valorous self-authorization. For examples of this, please see: onlyfans, HRT for non-adults, drag queen story hours, calling looting “an act of unrestrained joy,” or telling people to report their uncles to feds for saying the wrong opinions at thanksgiving.

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Rat's avatar

For an ideology to be good for enforcing cohesion and loyalty, it _must_ be at least somewhat absurd. One does not simply build a cult around saying that 2x2=4.

Also, media are not good at transmitting complex information as most journalists are fairly dumb. (There are of course exceptions but you can't bet on exceptions and survive the long game.) This is likely why big countries, where more information is passed through media, are dumbed down faster than small countries where «everyone knows everyone».

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

Yes, good point; an absurd ideology is beneficial because it serves as a purity test for those willing to degrade themselves to the level of saying 2+2=5 (ht Orwell), but also because it serves as a signaling mechanism for those in the group to locate each other amidst crowds of those who might oppose them. Additionally, the more absurd the ideology, the more of a self-contained provocation it presents whilst maintaining a willfully obtuse position on it, i.e. “I’m not bringing politics into the workplace, I’m merely stating a fact when I say that [insert patently absurd claim].”

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Fat Rabbit Iron's avatar

I have similar thoughts. In fact, I would extend this skepticism to virtually all "science" --

https://fatrabbitiron.substack.com/p/secede-science

https://fatrabbitiron.substack.com/p/secede-principles

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

How come I can’t like or share your post? This is good stuff

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Fat Rabbit Iron's avatar

I disabled comments and likes (too dirty for me). I guess that means sharing is turned off too? Thanks substack.

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norstadt's avatar

Some kids maybe. Parents can teach them to detect BS and rebellion also comes naturally.

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

This is likely something parents tells themselves to self-soothe. Though some parents might be more skilled at educating on this, and some kids might be more sensitive to it, ideology is defined by being so ubiquitous as to be invisible. Maybe a 15 year old can start to understand this, but most younger than that are not usually able to differentiate between fact and opinion, especially whe shared by an authoritative adult. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think the point stands that few groups are more susceptible to this sort of thing than children

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norstadt's avatar

Kids know about lying. I think my 8 year-old understood that all the "kindness" talk is lie after experiencing how the unvaccinated were treated.

I wouldn't be in a position to recognize self-soothing, but propaganda lessons at school are easy to joke about.

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

Maybe so and glad you’re on top of things. I think a lot of parents, even the most attentive, would have a hard time noticing and rectifying all of the ideology their child is subject to on a daily basis. Especially because most ideology seems so “normal” that the kid often wouldn’t even bother to report it. I am glad your kid senses that and feel like you have a handle on it, I think you can imagine other parents who - despite their best efforts - can’t keep up with the covert cultural programming their kids are saturated with at school

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norstadt's avatar

Indoctrination has its limits. It's not like most Catholic school students turn into devout adults. Last year, while masks were required everywhere, kids were pretend-coughing at each other on the school bus "to give each other covid". That spirit is likely to turn against ideological conformity.

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H.P. De Veer's avatar

Okay, I think there are some differences between our conceptions of ideology and the obvious problem of treating kids as a monolith demographic, but that aside I’m just curious - if you do *not* think that kids are the group most vulnerable to ideology, which group do you think *is* the one that is most vulnerable?

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norstadt's avatar

I guess we don't discuss women's biological clocks anymore, but single professional women have time to spare and a huge hole in their lives. Unlike kids, they don't have a natural rebellious tendency that can protect them.

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